Tuesday, September 04, 2007

Let Me Clear My Throat

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If I may, and, well, I may, because it's my damn blog...

I started out typing this in the comment section of the previous post, and I realized that it was quickly becoming WAY too long for a comment. There is quite a bit of debate within academia about the "business model" of the university, with administrators being "pro" and professors usually being "anti", generally speaking of course. Here is my own two cents on the matter.

I think the push to turn universities into businesses is a terrible idea. Students are already so overly consumer minded that they believe they pay for grades, when what they really pay for is my time. The trade off is their cash for my expertise. They almost to the man think that their cash is a trade off for an A. A business model, especially one based on the American capitalist system, assumes that businesses (universities) will have to compete for customers (students), and that free competition will somehow create better businesses.

Here's the problem with that. Student customers are, well, uneducated. Otherwise they wouldn't be coming to school, obviously, they'd already know everything. Or, they'd go to a trade school and learn only those things which they had to know to perform the job. A college education assumes you're getting a "well-rounded" education, and students aren't always the best judge of what makes good civic and intelligent citizens. They often don't know what they want to learn until they try it (which is why so many of them end up switching majors two or three times), and they often don't appreciate difficult professors until they're finished with the class. Often they'll end up saying things like "I really hated Professor X, but three years later I realize the value in why he made me do such and such." Universities already use a form of "customer satisfaction" surveys in the evaluations that students have to fill out at the end of each course. What students often put in these surveys doesn't match what the teacher is actually doing in the classroom. In other words, if students really disliked Professor X, were thrilled to get out of his class, and ripped him a new one on his evaluations, the logical conclusion is that Professor X is bad for university business, and he should be fired. Turns out these same kids, though, three years later decide that Professor X's strategy was what really taught them about critical thinking, or lab work, or whatever. Unfortunately, Prof X has already been out of a job for three years, because the business model says "The customer is always right." Most of the time in education, they are not.

Witness the fact that many universities are cutting out their Classics programs and sometimes their entire philosophy departments. Why? Because the number of students taking the classes doesn't justify the cost of keeping the department going. After all, who needs philosophy? And what linguist in his right mind would bother taking Latin? It is a dead language, after all, isn't it? Universities could so easily reroute the fate of these courses and have them packed out simply by requiring philosophy, for example, as part of your liberal arts core. But they often don't require it, and almost always that decision is made because the student customer isn't interested in it and because the administration is made up of businessmen rather than academics, or a decent mix of both. And so many students miss out on something vital to their "well-rounded" education just because they don't like the look of Logic 101. The customer is always right.

Education is not particularly suited to a capitalistic business model, because the process of learning is not about transactions. Quite frankly, it's not my job to wipe their asses, and that's what the consumer model of education is all about. I'm not carrying shit to their car, metaphorically speaking. Students don't learn by having me do all of the heavy lifting. Learning isn't a transaction, like so many other capitalistic metaphors are about. It's an evolution.

As such, I really don't care if they're "satisfied", because so much in education requires you to dig down within yourself to be satisfied with your learning. It is true that there are bad teachers, and I'm not insinuating that students are completely ignorant and cannot tell the difference whatsoever. I do, after all, teach Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed, which is aimed at educational practices. But so many students use such incredibly ludicrous standards to judge a professor (believe me, I've read plenty of evaluations, although mine are almost always good)--they are rarely in a position to understand why teachers make certain pedagogical decisions. They often judge the teacher's personality rather than the presentation of the material, and that is what is so dangerous about putting the "end user" solely in charge of the direction of the university.

And quite honestly, the results of them having been "in charge" of universities are very, very apparent. Philosophy departments gutted and gone are but one example. The best example? Students kept complaining about how "hard" the analogy part of the SATs were. So the SATs got rid of it, and the colleges didn't even make a fuss. That's just like..........well....it's similar to........well, geez, not having learned how to make a proper analogy, I really can't finish the sentence, can I??

The reason universities stink today is because we've lowered our standards, not because it's easier for people to afford them. Sure, there are some people who are totally blowing through their government loan or their scholarship money, and it would probably be better spent on somebody else. But students wouldn't feel so entitled to a college degree if their parents and their society didn't cuddle them from the time they were babies to think they deserved everything for absolutely no good reason. They don't know how to work any more. I've seen it slip from the time I've been an undergraduate, and people, that's not really been all that long ago.

If we keep lowering our standards, our kids will keep sinking to meet them.

-- Virgil

*And MD, no, I'm not pissed at you. I'm just declaring my position.

22 Comments:

Blogger samuel said...

And then there's the point that business should be able to say to the customer, "No, you actually are not always right." I like the idea of businesses that are willing to say NO. The problem with catering to every customer is that you can't possibly maintain any sense of the thing that sets you apart. Do you want to serve a billion people, or do you want to serve the best damn hamburger in town?

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I appreciate both sides of the debate. I'm more anti-business as a school just because if universities in the UK are given the right to raise tuition fees as they so wish - so poor students are going to be priced out and only the rich kids get to go.

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm more anti-business as a school just because if universities in the UK are given the right to raise tuition fees as they so wish - so poor students are going to be priced out and only the rich kids get to go."

Not necessarily. If the old, established universities DO raise their tuition so that old the wealthy may attend, AND there still is a demand for education, then new universities will pop up to meet the demand of students who want an affordable school.

In other words, the old universities who price themselves out of the middle class will ironically create new opportunities for new colleges to start up.

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"raise their tuition so that old the wealthy"

meant to say 'ONLY the wealthy'

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Blogger contemplator said...

anon, that doesn't tend to be how it works. There's a reason state/public universities are called "land-[b]grant[/b]" universities; and that's because they get a big chunk of their survival money from the government. It isn't the [i]people[/i] that create the means for new universities to be founded. You also overlook that many of the people who attend these newer, non-ivy league school are more often than not on government pell grants or other forms of gov't sponsored student aid. Why? Because [i]they can't afford it on their own[/i].

None of that, by the way, has anything to do with the intrinsic reason that education should not be treated as a business, which is what my entire post is about.

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Blogger contemplator said...

Stupid html tags. Grr.

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There seems to be this assumption around here that "being run like a business" means being run like some telemarketer agency with fast talking representatives. No, that is not what I mean at all.

What I mean is that universities should rely on the persuasion of students to run, not sitting fat and happy on taxpayer dollars. In my opinion, universities should be able to run themselves any way they like.

One thing you seem to be overlooking is the fact that there is so much government involvement in higher education, that education itself becomes politicized. Rather than actually teaching students, ideas get IMPOSED UPON. The students are taught WHAT to think, rather than HOW to think.

Whatever becomes Politically Correct is whatever gets turned into college curriculum (with the exception of certain staunchly independent schools). I despise the notion that students today are told what is and what is not acceptable to say. I despise the notion that offensive ideas are treated like capital crimes. I despise the conformist left wing atmosphere that prevails at so many colleges.

I am sick and tired of college professors who slander America and Freedom, who brainwash impressionable students into thinking that white people are evil, America is worse than Nazi Germany, technology is oppression and reason should be abolished.

But, I also respect the right of any college to teach whatever it likes, regardless of how much I disagree with it. If a college wishes to run itself like the Soviet Union, that's fine by me, just don't expect me to go there. Also, don't use my tax dollars for it either.

Am I making myself clear?

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Blogger contemplator said...

Anon, you're not reading or comprehending what's in the post, and I would suggest you digest that first before going on an rant about imaginary circumstances.

Firstly, did you see where I said I teach the Pedagogy of the Oppressed? Do you know what that is? If not, look it up first, before you keep commenting. Second, students have to speak up for themselves if they want a better education. They actively sit there like bumps on a log for the most part. How is the school oppressing them when they're too lazy to advocate for themselves?

Thirdly, WTF is up with comparing schools to the Soviet Union. Look up the word "hyperbole" as well. Your argument falls through when you actually READ my post, which you apparently just skimmed.

I took pains to point out how the university IS catering to what the students want. Students don't WANT to take Logic 101, because they think it's too hard and boring. So that's why they can't think critically.

Most professors are far from the political stooges you seem to think they are. You can drag a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. And by that I mean that students don't give two shits about their education. A small minority of them do, but most of them are looking to get laid or get their next drunk on. If you're such a big advocate of personal responsibility, how about recognizing that 9/10s of the education process is already in the hands of the student--they have to apply themselves. We teachers certainly can't do it for them.

I personally have been through a sampling of colleges, both during my own time as a student and as a visitor for conferences and the like. I have NEVER heard a professor say that America is worse than Nazi Germany, technology is oppression and that reason should be abolished. What an idiotic thing to suggest. Where on earth are you getting your "facts"? I know professors and grad students from a range of disciplines and a variety of schools--private, public, big, small. And none of them do or believe any of the things you say.

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It looks like our anonymous friend has had somebody imposin' on his education. Goldarn perfessors, talkin' about how America is worse than Nazi Germany. How dare they slander the Red, White, and Blue!

A real patriot would give his money to Bob Jones U. and show them liberal sumbitches that the STATE may support them Soviet universities, but the MARKET won't.

FREE SPEECH, BAH GAWD, FREE SPEECH!

Wednesday, 05 September, 2007  
Blogger JP said...

The problem I see is that colleges and universities have had to accommodate a whole new group of students - the ones who want good jobs.

In days of yore, the only people who went college were the ones who wanted to seriously pursue academics. Even in the last century, college has gone from a place for extremely smart professional-types to pursue their professional-type careers to a training ground for all careers.

Let's face facts - there's really no respectability in simply having a high school diploma anymore. Having a college diploma of any kind seems to be a requirement for any job just to prove that you possess a modicum of intelligence.

There's a certain prestige associated with graduating from college. I think a very sizable number of students would not be in college if they didn't feel that they HAD to be here.

There are trade schools to be sure, but how many of them possess the prestige of a four-year university? I think this is actually why having a master's degree in anything might actually be a good thing. It shows a willingness to pursue your education beyond the bare minimum. While the bare minimum used to be high school, the bachelor's degree is rapidly becoming a minimum requirement for being able to make even a modest living.

Taking all of that into account, I'm torn about what universities should do about this. Since the stated goal of going to college has changed, how much should the college changed with it?

Personally, I believe that things like philosophy, English, history, sociology, and the arts (what undergrads lovingly refer to as "bullshit courses") can often have unintended positive effects on a student's personal AND professional edification. While these programs may lose money, I don't see them disappearing anytime soon. Administrative people often come from these programs even if the bigwigs come from the business schools. As we all know, secretaries are the true power in any bureaucracy.

Thursday, 06 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dante's Virgil, you seem to be talking about what colleges should do. I am only talking about what the government should do, meaning, less.

By the way, colleges suppressing free speech, as well as being overly aggressive in other forms of paternalism is quite documented. It is not just some bizarre phenomenon out of nowhere.

Here are some links:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-11-02-free-speech-cover_x.htm
http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12808pub19941231.html
http://www.compleatheretic.com/pubs/essays/pccodes.html
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/freedom/aaup.html


Eyeliner, there have been numerous atheists and agnostics as well as Christians and Jews who were and are capitalists, as well as loving their country. Many of them have and do also support a variety of liberal values. Next time think before you speak.

Thursday, 06 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are those links, shortened:

USA Today
ACLU
compleatheretic.com
lib.udel.edu

Thursday, 06 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a researcher! Holy Google, Batmite! It looks like you've been thinkin' before you speak!

What about Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims who were and are capitalist and love and support their country? Let's all love our country!

TELL ME ABOUT THE FUCKIN' GOLF SHOES, ANONNY!

LINKS, BAH GAWD, LINKS!

Thursday, 06 September, 2007  
Blogger contemplator said...

Don't you read your own posts? With only a brief mention of what gov'ts should do--withdraw their funds from universities--you have without question been talking about what universities should do. From your own USA Today source, I find this quite interesting:

"But the most well-oiled attack is driven by conservative and Christian students, "who basically feel they're targets for getting their minds dry-cleaned to think the right way," says Jordan Lorence, a litigator for the Alliance Defense Fund, an Arizona Christian organization involved in several lawsuits.

Speech codes and other restrictions became popular in the late 1980s and early 1990s as campuses looked for ways to address the growing number of racial minorities on campus, along with concerns about sexual harassment. By the mid-1990s, after several courts ruled that certain campus speech bans were unconstitutional, many schools withdrew those policies.

Since then, racial slurs and other incidents have persisted. In 2001, the latest year for which statistics are available, the FBI received 987 reports of hate crimes and incidents at schools and college campuses — about 10% of all hate incidents that year."


Hm. Who on earth would be making slurs against homosexuals, women and minorites? It couldn't possibly be white conservative christian men, could it?? They're the ones doing the complaining because they're the ones it effects.

Another way of saying that? They're the ones who usually do the perpetrating. If colleges are supposed to be the businesses you want them to be, consider that businesses have a set of ethics they tend to expect their employees to follow. People can think whatever they want. They can't then go on to libel, slander, or intimidate someone because of what they think.

Consider the context of what the article is saying. One bad graduate teaching assistant at UC Berkely is hardly the picture of professors hellbent on destroying America. If conservatives had their way, Palestine and Poetry wouldn't even be possible.

Thursday, 06 September, 2007  
Blogger contemplator said...

I understand the ACLU article you posted wants to defend free speech. But it does nothing to support your argument that universities are full of professors who hate America and believe its worse than Nazi Germany. It's just their stance on free speech, not a piece of evidence to bolster your argument.

The "Compleat Heretic" is an obviously nonobjective source of information, his banner across the top reading as it does. And the incident to which he refers is incredibly one sided. An objective source would've given more information than the poor white boy who is being ganged up on by minority "water buffalo" women.

Your last link is about what an association of professors thinks their universities should change their speech codes to be. Gasp. I thought professors were hell bent on destroying liberties!!

Your articles are not proof. Please remember that I teach both composition and rhetoric, and if you'd like me to take your rhetoric seriously, you're going to have to do better than that. Your sources wouldn't have gotten a paper on the issue a very good grade--not because your teacher is a liberal--she's actually an independent--but because your research is very shoddy.

Thursday, 06 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You play a tough card game, lady. But here is my ace in the hole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPhje8wepyg

Monday, 10 September, 2007  
Blogger contemplator said...

Youtube is your ace in the hole? We're done here. You're welcome to your opinion. Start your own blog if you want to use mine to continually air out your unresearched beliefs. That's what personal weblogs are for.

Monday, 10 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, just a PARTICULAR video from youtube. Did you bother to watch it?

Monday, 10 September, 2007  
Blogger contemplator said...

It's Penn & Teller talking about free speech. It [b]still[/b] doesn't prove that American professors believe America is worse than Nazi Germany. I've already wasted plenty of time on your sources. They won't win you credibility in an argument. If I cited Stephen Colbert, no matter how ironic and on point he may be, as an academic source for an argument, I'd be laughed out of the building, as well I should be.

Did [i]you[/i] bother actually reading Adam Smith, Milton Freidman, and Ludwig von Mises? Or did you just link up to some website with a pop explanation of them? Because I've read them, and let me tell you, it takes a long time to get through them, much less understand what they wrote.

Did you actually read Ayn Rand's books on philosophy, or did you go to ARI's website, which is highly controlled and censored by Leonard Peikoff? It may interest you to know that Peikoff has done more to silence academic inquiry--intellectual "free speech" if you will--on Rand's work than all the Communists put together. If you didn't know that, you aren't doing enough research.

On my shelves are everything from John Stuart Mill to [i]all[/i] of Ayn Rand's books. Freud to Foucault. Nietzsche, Adam Smith and Karl Marx. Have you even read the Communist Manifesto? Because if you haven't, you really need to. How could you possibly judge what you were fighting against, if you didn't understand the idea behind it? Books are my job. Criticism is also my job. Rhetoric is my job. I don't claim to be an expert. But I do claim to focus on my "stuff."

Poverty is also my job. It's my job to dig up statistics, to read current research, and to make connections between research and reality. If I fuck up my job, people could suffer. I take it seriously. In short, I know what I'm talking about. It's going to take more than Penn & Teller to suggest you know what you're talking about.

I end this with one last statement. We are [b]done[/b] with this line of discussion. I've humored it because I know you. But you've really strained my patience with this, beyond the bounds of reason, logic, and common sense. If you feel so passionately about it: [i]go start your own blog[/i]. My blog is NOT your place to rant about your misinformed and understudied opinions. Your blog would be the place for that.

Monday, 10 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy Dismissal, Batmite! If only Google ran Blogger more like a business, then poor boys like our friend wouldn't have to worry about uppity women, a-makin' points that actually make sense! Cause if bloggin' was like business, bloggers'd have to pay attention to their commenters! The commenter is always right!

Oh, I'm sorry Mr. Dissertation-length commenter, you've been right this whole time. The poor really should embrace the pleasures of free market capitalism and live the American Dream. If only they weren't so damned lazy!

HA!! Just a bit o' sarcasm from the ol' purple cowperson! Whoever you are, you need to take my advice from that last post, and come get your whoopin' from the Contemplator!

GENDER NEUTRAL, BAH GAWD, GENDER NEUTRAL!!!!

WHAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Monday, 10 September, 2007  
Blogger samuel said...

Whee, that was fun. Sorry Anon gave you all that extra work, but it sure was fun to read. I recently read some wacky scifi book that was kind of fun as well, but it was different fun than watching a seeming fundy grasping for a point like he/she was trying to pick up a dime wearing oven mitts.

Tuesday, 11 September, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn, came in to comment that your blog post might've been your best yet (or in my recent but shoddy memory)

Awesome, just awesome!

Wednesday, 12 September, 2007  

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